Hyderabad Road accidents

[uday]

Road accidents:



My analysis on the Mercedes road accident in Hyderabad. 

Car in question : Mercedes  AMG G63
 

When: On may 10th this tragic took place.

 

 

What could have went wrong on that day?

 

1. Rain

Yes it rained moderately on the day of accident, less traction and poor visibility. 

 

2. Metro Pillars
It is absolutely L & T metro design fault. How on earth are they using pillar as a divider without any protection.

100's of cabs and private vehicles ply on those roads at high speeds, during night time.
Most of the cabs lack the basic facilities like ABS and Airbags.
I can safely say a direct hit (Pillar) at 70~100 km/hr may kill all the occupants. 

 

 

3. Night drive
I would suggest one to avoid late night drives without proper rest, My assumption is that the driver dozed off at the wheel.

3AM is a very critical time.

4. Over speeding
Driver was over speeding, no doubts. 
But I hate to see the media quoting 210 K/hr, seriously?

 

I know it is an AMG version of G series but take a look at the road before judging.
On that curve no SUV can do more that 70km/hr.
So my assumption of speed is around 120 ~140 k/hr, that is the maximum.

 

During hi-speed accidents, dials may not be stable as they change due to impact.

 

Driving at 120 km/hr at 40 km/hr zone is a crime, but driving at 150km/hr at 120km/hr zone may happen with many of us. So stop judging with those ORR runs.

Show me a single well powered car which has not crossed 120 km/hr on ORR.

 

Few more pictures of the car, after it moved from the crash site

 

Some people said, buckling up may have saved his life but, take a look at the cabin and judge yourself.
Steering is touching the roof.

No car is immortal with seat belts and airbags in such cases.
Always belt up and stay in limits. Over speed kills.

 

RIP both driver and passenger.
I am happy that the car ended up at pillar else some innocent would have lost his life.

 

Lessons:

• No car is safe at insane speeds.
• One of my colleague did not buy with airbags. Reason: I drive in city only. This proves him wrong!
• Avoid late night drives as much as possible when you are tired.

 

[sushil]

He is not a normal guy s/o minister and richest tax payer in andhra pradesh

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[sagar]

 

6 hours ago, sushil said:

He is not a normal guy s/o minister and richest tax payer in andhra pradesh
 

 

@sushil I guess the discussion here is purely about the car and how it broke down. I think the above statement makes no sense.

[Harish]

The map you showed is totally wrong. Look in the my screenshot. Accident happened at the point I circled in red. It is a straight road and no wonder anyone could drive at the a speed more than 150 kmph

 

 

[Gowtham]

12 hours ago, Harish said:

The map you showed is totally wrong. Look in the my screenshot. Accident happened at the point I circled in red. It is a straight road and no wonder anyone could drive at the a speed more than 150 kmph

 

 

This is the correct spot.

You can easily do 100 km/hr in that area during late night.

 

There is a minor curve at pillar no 9.

Clearly he dozed off at the wheel. No skid marks or symptoms of loosing control.

[Pralay]

I was actually about to start the topic.. glad that, @uday started the discussion. Yesterday I went to the spot just to analyse what exactly went wrong that night. I went to jubilee hills check post and stared driving towards the accident spot, (as correctly shown by @Harish.) According to the media, the car was coming from jubilee hills check post. @Ranger is correct,, even if he started from a standstill(jubilee signal)  an AMG can easily reach 100+ KM/h in my opinion.(In fact, it might happen, that jubilee check post signal was green ; then doing 100+ is rather easy I guess).

 

Look at the visuals of the accident:-

 

 

 

My analysis is he might dozed off. Facts to support my claim:-

1) As per some news he was coming from a meeting(possibly tired),

2) It was quite late night(sleeping time!)

3) The city received thunder storm just an hour before(cozy weather & slippery road or aquaplane) the accident.

 

If you see the video minutely, it showed there was absolutely no effort to negotiate the curve. Yes it was high speed, yet one should have tried to negotiate the pillar, isn't it? But the car just hit the pillar as if there was no bend at all. (no, that was not brake light it was tail light, braking will leave some skid marks as rightly told by @Ranger, no media reported so till date) As I said, I went to the spot yesterday & tried to analyse the case. I came two times from Jubilee check post to the spot. Road quality is not bad, and this is the first bend after half a km straight road from jubilee crossing, chances are he just went straight ahead with that speed and missed the curve, thinking the road is rather straight.

 

Another thing can also happen that, he tried to negotiate, and instead of break he pressed the gas pedal.

 

Another possibility is, if you see the footage, two bikes were going almost on the middle of the road before the car reached the spot, may be he tried to negotiate them & sadly hit the pillar.

 

Be whatever it was, the car was clearly over speeding. It was surely doing around 120Km/Hr in my opinion.( 200+ km seems to be impossible). Which is way beyond to control such a monster car in that stretch. High centre of gravity(G63 is fairly high GC car) will make it even worsen to tackle any curve which is very normal in city limits. Even if a car is fully equipped with all the safety features nothing is beyond the science! After all, its a container of a steel we are sitting in. Any insane speed will surely kill its occupants. I mean look at it, the intensity was such huge that, the backside of the car went up to that height!!! Too much..

 

Lesson learnt. 

1) No car is safe car, unless you drive safe. Better be in your limits. Be under control

2) I said it earlier as well, avoid night driving as much as possible, night is our sleeping time & surely not a time to behind the wheels)

 

RIP both. May the strength be with their family to overcome the situation.

 

  

Be safe guys!

Pralay

[sagar]

That's great analysis guys, It seems to be very much right to me as well that he must have dozed off after seeing the lack of minimal effort to take a turn in the video footage.

It is always good to be at a safer speed especially when you are in the city limits and not being a reason to any innocent's death.

Also, the time during which the drive has happened was also during the devil's hour during which everyone might be more inclined towards falling asleep.

RIP and Drive safe guys!

[Gowtham]

21 hours ago, Pralay said:

this is the first bend after half a km straight road from jubilee crossing

 

21 hours ago, Pralay said:

200+ km seems to be impossible

This is media hype for sure.

 

21 hours ago, Pralay said:

the backside of the car went up to that height!!!

Good point.
 

Newton's third law!
If it is a normal divider or a wall, car could have pushed it.

Here there pillar is so strong that it did not even observe 1% of energy from the car.

It is similar to crash test videos that we see at 60 km/hr.

 

Pillar should be have some some protection.
It is too sharp in corners, a biker could loose his leg, if there is simple lapse in his judgement.
It will be a disaster for late nigh cabs, hope the government authorities wake up and install some protection. 

 

[sai86]

Video is a clear indicator, car's back wheel went up to 60 degrees high. We can imagine the intensity of the hit(it is a 2.8 ton vehicle).

 

From the day one my question about Hyderabad metro remains intact: Does Hyderabad really need a metro?

With strict rules and better roads one can easily solve city's traffic issues.

 

Even if metro come into operational government has to push on using public transport, but it is doing in the other way. SRDP project encourages use of private vehicles making a way for more such accidents during construction phase.

 

Ultimate lesson learnt: When there is poor visibility be ultra careful, don't underestimate anything.

 

L&T has to install LED bulbs for better visibility of pillars during night times.

[Gowtham]

21 hours ago, sai86 said:

L&T has to install LED bulbs for better visibility of pillars during night times.

 

There are still some flaws in the design.

If you check the pillar, it has many sharp edges.

 

It is lying on the center of roads, thousands of vehicles pass that pillar.

 

If it is another country, government/people must have sued metro guys by now.

[Pralay]

6 hours ago, Ranger said:

 

There are still some flaws in the design.

If you check the pillar, it has many sharp edges.

 

I don't see any logic to discuss about the design flaws of the pillar. In most of the cities, metro pillars are having sharp edges, Even if it is not having any sharp edge, will it ensure any safety for this kind of event, certainly not. Its very clear if you see the video, the only & only reason for this tragic incident is going beyond the limits. There's no point to find some flaws in designs when cars are pushing nearly 150 km/hr in jubilee hills.

 

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It is lying on the center of roads, thousands of vehicles pass that pillar.

 

Oh C'mon, In most of the cities metro pillars/ over bridge pillars are in the middle of the road. I feel, as a citizen of the country our responsibility is to drive safe & bear this growth pain.

 

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If it is another country, government/people must have sued metro guys by now.

 

Because of an incident clearly for over speeding(4-5 times than the speed limit of the area)?

 

Please don't take it personally, its just for the discussion. Hope you understand.

 

Cheers!  

[Gowtham]

59 minutes ago, Pralay said:

Please don't take it personally, its just for the discussion. Hope you understand.

 

I would love to discuss about it for the whole night. 
But my wife gave a weird look when I fired up my laptop. 

 

59 minutes ago, Pralay said:

I don't see any logic to discuss about the design flaws of the pillar.

I agree that it is 100% drivers fault.

I stand on my words, pillar design/road divider design is pretty bad.

I drive on this road late in the night, at least three times a week.
After the accident, I started observing that particular curve.

I see late night cabs passing that particular pillar (Inches away) above 70 km/hr.
A small lapse in judgement or tire burst could kill the driver instantly.

I am more concerned about it due to fast curve. 

 

59 minutes ago, Pralay said:

Oh C'mon, In most of the cities metro pillars/ over bridge pillars are in the middle of the road.

Divider should be running along the corners.

This is a proper design.

 

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Because of an incident clearly for over speeding

I'm talking about the pillar design. 
 

[Pralay]

24 minutes ago, Ranger said:

I would love to discuss about it for the whole night. 
But my wife gave a weird look when I fired up my laptop. 

 

Hey Hey.. I really dont want to hurt anybody. Please!

Namaste Bhabiji.!!   (Just kidding)

 

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This is a proper design.

Brilliant example, I completely got your point & 100% agree with you. This may reduce fatal incidents also no abrupt road crossing by the pedestrians(though in the pics, still pedestrians are trying to cross the road ; seriously)

 

But again, I guess, this safe design could not help in this incident either. 150/hr is too much in that area. Simple rule: Drive Safe! 

 

Cheers!

[vjeevan]

I feel that no matter how the pillar is.... There have to be traffic barriers (crash barriers/armco barriers/guard rails) in place..

Plastic/metal/concrete anything. .

These barriers also makes sure the vehicles are kept within their roadways in case an accident happens.

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[vjeevan]

Btw guys. . Fun fact: Some of the barriers in the USA are crash tested with a 2 tonne pickup truck travelling at 100kmph colliding with the rail at a 25deg angle..

Source: Wikipedia, Traffic barrier stiffness

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[uday]

1 hour ago, vjeevan said:

Fun fact: Some of the barriers in the USA are crash tested

 

This shows our backwardness in infrastructure.
Heck even our cars not properly crash tested. 

[sai86]

Surprisingly there is no comment from the car Manufacturer.

Do they accept the failure of safety equipment in the car or they just don't want to comment.

[Gowtham]

2 hours ago, sai86 said:

Surprisingly there is no comment from the car Manufacturer.

He is doing around 150 km/hr, No car will survive a direct hit at those speeds.

Pillar is so strong that it did observe any energy.
 

2 hours ago, sai86 said:

Do they accept the failure of safety equipment in the car or they just don't want to comment.

If Mercedes involves in the investigation, they will give us actual speed of impact.
Our government don't want those details.You know the reasons. 

Interesting video of a crash test at 200 km/hr

 

 

[sai86]

14 hours ago, Ranger said:

Our government don't want those details.You know the reasons. 

 

Volvo will release a investigation report for every major accident reported.

May be this time it is big people so that is keeping Mercedes from making the report public. I am sure they might have done the analysis.

 

 

[shiva]

One more accident on ORR.

Actor died on stop.

Speedometer is stuck at 140 km/hr.
Looking at the car tells us, it is an high speed accident. 

According to the news, truck which broke down and was parked on the left most lane without any indications. 
 

Truck did not have rear crash guard. Skoda has directly took the impact on the A pillar.

[Gowtham]

If there an idiot behind the wheel, it doesn't matter which car he drives.

Accident happened on the left most lane.

Last two lanes are dedicated to the trucks.

Agree that tucks should have rear protection but at 140km/hr, I don't think it will with stand.

[Gowtham]

Slow motion.

Other angle 

The way Honda City guy switched the lane, alerted the activa following him.
Nice driving ?

 

Always wear seat belts and Drive safe guys.

Driver lost his life, car is Hyundai i20.

[shiva]

Sharing a story, that I came across in FB

 

Feeling angry with The Park Hyderabad  
           

I have recently been to The Park hotel, Somajiguda recently, and i am very grieved to tell you the experience that i had there.

This is regarding my car which was crashed at The Park hotel, somajiguda on 13/06/2017, because of the careless & rash driving of the valet driver at the hotel.  

 

I have purchased my car to specifically suit my purpose and have retrofitted it with handle controls so that both me and a normal person can drive it. I have a full time driver and he drives the car as every other person.

 

 1.On 13th June the valet driver at The Park hotel, somajiguda has crashed my car, skoda rapid with registration no. TS01ED 3322 into a wall, due to his careless & rash driving. [This didn't happened last 4 or 5 times when it was given for valet parking at the same hotel].

 

 2. After that i went to the location of the accident and saw the car, it was in a very bad condition, radiator water is leaking from the hood. I spoke with the security manager Mr. sathyanarayana, who said that it is completely the mistake of valet driver and hotel will take the responsibility of repairing my car and get it delivered to me within 5-7 days. 

 

3. when i have asked for a written consent letter or mail from the hotel regarding the same, he assured me that you can trust loyalty of the hotel, as ours is a prestigious 5 star hotel. He gave me a valet ticket for my vehicle and gave me another vehicle honda city with registration no. AP BW 2743 as a replacement for my car. I trusted him and left the hotel as i was in a hurry.

 

4. The security manager at the hotel shared my number with the valet vendor [who took the valet parking contract at the hotel] and i was forced to meet him. I was called to the hotel saying that there is a meeting with the finance manager (as general manger was on leave) and i was left unattended by finance manager in the lobby with the valet vendor and was suggested to discuss the issue & settel it with him.

 

I immediately met duty manager Mr.Ankush mukherjee and spoke to him. I was surprised to know that, he was told the whole issue in a different way. The security manager has told him that i was demanding for an new car for the old one, which was false. this shows the proper communication and functioning of the hotel. I clearly said him that i have only two conditions

------The car must be repaired from a authorised skoda service centre &

------I am not going to claim the insurance for the valet drivers carelessness.

 

which Mr.Ankush found it to be fair. He said that he would discuss the issue with the general manager and let me know. From that day there is no response from the hotel management.

 

5. when my car was at the hotel parking lot even after 5 days of accident, i was forced to get it towed to the service centre by myself

 

6. Instead of my various requests, mails, calls & attempts to reach the hotel management, i couldn't reach anyone other than the reception. 

 

7.Trusting the false promises made by the hotel management i haven't even filed an FIR at police station till date. Today i was told by security manager that u can proceed legally against the hotel as we can handle it quiet easily. And also threatened me of filing a theft case against me regarding the car which was given to me as replacement for my car.

 

8. I am very much disappointed by the behavior of hotel management. They are not only denying to pay for the expenses of the car repairs, but also threatening me with a theft case. Today i am betrayed by the hotel for trusting them. I clearly know one thing that, a common man like me can't fight against a 5 star hotel [ as already threatened by the security manager ]

 

As it is said in there site "Apeejay’s tradition of trust, reliability and fairness. Committed to doing good business" is completely disproved in my case.  The only thing delivered is "the ideal space to create an unforgettable memories.??". Their sophistication and the local art and culture is use to harass persons like me.  

 

so please be careful while handing your car to valet parking.

 

 

 

[kamal]

This is a real shame on such a reputed firm in the country. The expenses spent on solving the issues in court would fall higher than the expenses which the park hotels would be spending on the car repairs. They would have bagged good will in bonus to that. Shear cheating acts will definitely cost them more.

[uday]

RIP : Harikrishna
Started my day with this tragic news.

 

 

 

He is thrown out of the car upon the impact, clearly shows he is not wearing seat belts.

Recently, he lost his son. He must have learnt importance of seat belts. Lack of awareness or who cares attitude? 

 

Any idea about what happened to vehicle that is going in the opposite direction?

 

 

[Gowtham]

1 hour ago, uday said:

Any idea about what happened to vehicle that is going in the opposite direction?

 

RIP.

No information about the on-coming vehicle.

Hopefully there are no injuries/casualties. 

 

High speed + SUV + Not wearing seat belts is a deadly combo. 

 

Mean while city is high traffic alert.

May be due to politicians/celebrity movement to Harikrishna house. 

 

Vinit shared following information:

Guys city is blocked in some areas.

From Secunderabad I cannot go to Nampally, cannot go towards Banjara hills and Panjagutta it's all blocked.

[shiva]

Traffic update:

 

[RajG]

22 hours ago, Ranger said:

Mean while city is high traffic alert.

 

Oops saw this message now.
I'm stuck around Imax for 1 hour.

I think situation is no different today!

[uday]

Though not from Hyderabad.

Sad to see a brand new RR going down.

 

Will it be repairable or total loss?

I'm sure it will cost more than my humble swift to repair that bumper ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Gowtham]

12 minutes ago, uday said:

I'm sure it will cost more than my humble swift to repair that bumper

 

Looks like it has got a good amount of under-body damage. 

 

It is not yet registered. 

Hope, it does have a proper insurance coverage. 

 

What a loss. ?

 

[RajG]

16 minutes ago, uday said:

Sad to see a brand new RR going down.

 

It is on the top of the median. 

I expect it to be (swift x 5).

 

9 minutes ago, Ranger said:

Hope, it does have a proper insurance coverage.

 

Without insurance we cannot get TR right? 

[Gowtham]

5 minutes ago, RajG said:

Without insurance we cannot get TR right? 

 

Yes, but I am not sure about those red plates.

Hope it is road legal insurance. 

[RajG]

Yeah

TR is usually yellow in colour!

Is it same for all the state?

[sagar]

17 hours ago, RajG said:

Yeah

TR is usually yellow in colour!

Is it same for all the state?

 

The red registration board with white writing is a temporary registration for a brand new vehicle. When a new car is bought, the showroom will register the car temporarily until you register the car after paying the road tax. This temporary registration is usually valid for one month.

[varunc]

On 8/29/2018 at 3:10 PM, uday said:

Started my day with this tragic news.

 

Modern cars are build around the concept called SEAT BELTS.

If people don't use them,  there is no difference between Nano and a BMW.

 

Seat belt is a must, I would suggest people in rear seats also start wearing seat belt. 

Anyone can be thrown out be it front or rear seat passengers during a mishap. 

[BORNDRIVER]

47 minutes ago, varunc said:

 

Modern cars are build around the concept called SEAT BELTS.

If people don't use them,  there is no difference between Nano and a BMW.

 

Seat belt is a must, I would suggest people in rear seats also start wearing seat belt. 

Anyone can be thrown out be it front or rear seat passengers during a mishap. 

Well said Varunc. Totally agreed.

[shiva]

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Three people were killed near Gachibowli cross roads after being hit by a metro TSTRC bus today morning. The bus was heading to Lingampally from Koti.

 

link

 

This happend today morning, Im stuck in the office cab for 30mins.

How much does it to take to implement a proper bus stop? 

 

I have seen most of the RTC bus stopping ahead/before/middle of the road.

They never stop at designated location.

 

I'm not blaming the bus driver but people rush as soon as they see the bus. 

Sharing Autos usually block most of the bus stop area. 

 

A proper marked bus stop is a distant dream in India? 

[sagar]

This is so sad a news to hear.. May their soul RIP!

Such accidents are very much prone to happen in our country and still the things don't change.. Neither the people, nor the drivers.

And the sharing autos should be banned in the country as they do not follow the basic traffic rule of limiting their seats to the capacity of the vehicle.

This in-turn tends to make their stop everywhere on the road and everywhere in the city. Police have to take some serious steps to correct this and we can surely witness some change in the society.

RTC buses are no less on these city roads even during heavy traffic conditions.

[sahil]

This is so sad a news to hear.. May their soul RIP!
Such accidents are very much prone to happen in our country and still the things don't change.. Neither the people, nor the drivers.
And the sharing autos should be banned in the country as they do not follow the basic traffic rule of limiting their seats to the capacity of the vehicle.
This in-turn tends to make their stop everywhere on the road and everywhere in the city. Police have to take some serious steps to correct this and we can surely witness some change in the society.
RTC buses are no less on these city roads even during heavy traffic conditions.

I keep posting here to GHMC and KTR. Even recently in other places where ever possible like in our colony meetings . No response from authorities..

[Naveen1]

17 hours ago, sahil said:

I keep posting here to GHMC and KTR. Even recently in other places where ever possible like in our colony meetings . No response from authorities..

 

There many points in Hyderabad that needs a proper foot over bridge. 
 

 

I face lot of issues while crossing at Cyber-gateway. 

Two guards  are stationed during peak hours but in the afternoons it gets very difficult. 

 

Not even a vehicle is willing to easy of acceleration.

They either want to cross behind you or accelerate to cross before you. 

 

From my personal experience, I started slowing down as soon as i see people crossing the road.

People behind me gets frustrated and honks needlessly, but i don't bother. 

[uday]

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Hyderabad: At least 43 died and 25 others were injured as Telangana State Road Transport Corporation bus fell off the Ghat road near Kondagattu in Jagityal district of Telangana on Tuesday noon. Among the deceased, 20 of them were women while 7 were kids. Of the injured, 17 are undergoing treatment at hospitals in Karimnagar and Jagityal while eight critically injured were rushed to Hyderabad. Kondagattu Hanuman temple is a famous pilgrim centre and draws huge crowd on Tuesday and Saturday.

District collector Sarath said while many passengers died on the spot, others succumbed to their injuries in hospitals. The injured were rushed to different hospitals in Karimnagar and Jagityal districts.

As many as 28 died on the spot, six others died on the way to the hospital. The health department got some private doctors to the spot to render first aid to the injured.

 

Source : link

 

Total passenger count : 75~

Reason : Brake failure ?

Reason for every accident is brake failure!

 

RIP

Sad to see TSRTC is continuously in news.
Yesterday at Gachibowli and today at Kondagattu. 

 

I have been to Kondagattu, I felt that ghat section is very minor. 

Don't understand why the death rate is very high. 

[sahil]

I keep posting here to GHMC and KTR. Even recently in other places where ever possible like in our colony meetings . No response from authorities..

For footover bridge at Gachibowli Flyover submitted requested to MLA last weekend at our colony Ganesh Mantapa. It's came in local Eenadu news paper today!